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  Evaluation of Banknotes     Mon 13th Nov 2006 19:26:17

Jdemers





Hi!, my name is Jean and i need to have an evaluation of a banknote:

The United States Of America
One Million Dollars

Silver Coin Certificate Of 1923

Serial A 00000301 B 00000400 B

Face Value : One Million

Can you direct me to the proper chanel.
Thank You,
J Demers
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  Evaluation of Banknotes (USA Million dollars).     Tue 14th Nov 2006 00:57:14

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In response to Jdemers :
Hi!, my name is Jean and i need to have an evaluation of a banknote:

The United States Of America
One Million Dollars

Silver Coin Certificate Of 1923

Serial A 00000301 B 00000400 B

Face Value : One Million

Can you direct me to the proper chanel.
Thank You,
J Demers

The "proper channel" would be the Standard Catalog of World Paper Money, volume 2, published by Krause. I can't find this note in it.

The nearest thing is the silver certificates, which only go up as high as $10 . There were none as early as 1923. The 1933 $10 is indeed indicated as "Payable in silver coin", and it is worth between two thousand dollars and ten thousand dollars depending on condition. However, this is a $10 note, and the 1934 one is only worth between $10 and $45.

The next nearest thing is the gold certificates, which in 1934 only went up to 100, 000 dollars, and that is only a hundred thousand dollars, not a million dollars, and the word on them is GOLD. No value is given by the catalogue. It says: "Issued for internal use within the Federal Reserve System. None were issued for circulation." So you wouldn't get one of those very easily.

Where did you get it? Can we see a scan ? Does it have a picture of Mickey Mouse on it ?

IMPORTANT: I wouldn't advise you to throw it away until you have consulted an expert. It may be genuine and included in a more specialised catalogue, but I doubt it. Sorry.

You might sell it for a dollar or two if someone finds it attractive. Again, this would require a scan.

Plantag
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  Evaluation of Banknotes (USA Million dollars).     Sat 18th Nov 2006 02:21:22

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In response to Plantagetnoble [99% (173x)] (Closed account) Club+ member: Bronze  :
The "proper channel" would be the Standard Catalog of World Paper Money, volume 2, published by Krause. I can't find this note in it.

The nearest thing is the silver certificates, which only go up as high as $10 . There were none as early as 1923. The 1933 $10 is indeed indicated as "Payable in silver coin", and it is worth between two thousand dollars and ten thousand dollars depending on condition. However, this is a $10 note, and the 1934 one is only worth between $10 and $45.

The next nearest thing is the gold certificates, which in 1934 only went up to 100, 000 dollars, and that is only a hundred thousand dollars, not a million dollars, and the word on them is GOLD. No value is given by the catalogue. It says: "Issued for internal use within the Federal Reserve System. None were issued for circulation." So you wouldn't get one of those very easily.

Where did you get it? Can we see a scan ? Does it have a picture of Mickey Mouse on it ?

IMPORTANT: I wouldn't advise you to throw it away until you have consulted an expert. It may be genuine and included in a more specialised catalogue, but I doubt it. Sorry.

You might sell it for a dollar or two if someone finds it attractive. Again, this would require a scan.

Plantag


hi PN,
sounds like a piece of funny money made up as a joke. i'm sure if an image is provided, it will prove me right. i have seen such items offered as novelties.
a bientot,
cajunsr.
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  No more from Jean     Sat 18th Nov 2006 12:32:52

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In response to Cajunsr1 [99% (632x)] Club+ member: Silver  :
hi PN,
sounds like a piece of funny money made up as a joke. i'm sure if an image is provided, it will prove me right. i have seen such items offered as novelties.
a bientot,
cajunsr.

Yes, I didn't imagine that a genuine silver coin cerificate would have a picture of Mickey Mouse.

If he/she doesn't give us more information, we won't know.

The members in North America seem much less inclined to thank other members for their answers than those in Europe are.

Plantag.
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  No more from Jean     Sat 18th Nov 2006 13:04:40

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In response to Plantagetnoble [99% (173x)] (Closed account) Club+ member: Bronze  :
Yes, I didn't imagine that a genuine silver coin cerificate would have a picture of Mickey Mouse.

If he/she doesn't give us more information, we won't know.

The members in North America seem much less inclined to thank other members for their answers than those in Europe are.

Plantag.

hi PN,
one must be patient with our new members. and not frighten them away like the boogeyman. :o perhaps jean does not have a scanner or digital camera. or access to one. or uses a friend's computer or one in a cyber cafe. who knows. but if this person or another wishes to contact delcampe again with more questions, we will be here to help them. you with coin and banknotes, and i with stamps. :D
later gator,
cajunsr.


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  No more from Jean     Sat 18th Nov 2006 13:36:09

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In response to Cajunsr1 [99% (632x)] Club+ member: Silver  :
hi PN,
one must be patient with our new members. and not frighten them away like the boogeyman. :o perhaps jean does not have a scanner or digital camera. or access to one. or uses a friend's computer or one in a cyber cafe. who knows. but if this person or another wishes to contact delcampe again with more questions, we will be here to help them. you with coin and banknotes, and i with stamps. :D
later gator,
cajunsr.


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A good point, but they must put coins on Coins and banknotes on Banknotes if they want to attract the most help, some of which comes from the French-speaking world too. People in Europe who speak French, German and other languages do watch out for questions on coins and banknotes in English, but only if they are posted in the right place.

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  Evaluation of Banknotes (USA Million dollars).     Sun 19th Nov 2006 16:03:55

Jdemers






In response to Plantagetnoble [99% (173x)] (Closed account) Club+ member: Bronze  :
The "proper channel" would be the Standard Catalog of World Paper Money, volume 2, published by Krause. I can't find this note in it.

The nearest thing is the silver certificates, which only go up as high as $10 . There were none as early as 1923. The 1933 $10 is indeed indicated as "Payable in silver coin", and it is worth between two thousand dollars and ten thousand dollars depending on condition. However, this is a $10 note, and the 1934 one is only worth between $10 and $45.

The next nearest thing is the gold certificates, which in 1934 only went up to 100, 000 dollars, and that is only a hundred thousand dollars, not a million dollars, and the word on them is GOLD. No value is given by the catalogue. It says: "Issued for internal use within the Federal Reserve System. None were issued for circulation." So you wouldn't get one of those very easily.

Where did you get it? Can we see a scan ? Does it have a picture of Mickey Mouse on it ?

IMPORTANT: I wouldn't advise you to throw it away until you have consulted an expert. It may be genuine and included in a more specialised catalogue, but I doubt it. Sorry.

You might sell it for a dollar or two if someone finds it attractive. Again, this would require a scan.

Plantag


Hi, this is Jean, I am sending you a scan of the bank note, if you have a problem opening the file, please let me know, thanks, Jean
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  Evaluation of Banknotes (USA Million dollars).     Sun 19th Nov 2006 16:06:29

Jdemers






In response to Cajunsr1 [99% (632x)] Club+ member: Silver  :
hi PN,
sounds like a piece of funny money made up as a joke. i'm sure if an image is provided, it will prove me right. i have seen such items offered as novelties.
a bientot,
cajunsr.

Hi, I am sending you a scan of the bank note, please let me know if you have a problem opening the file, thanks, Jean
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  No more from Jean     Sun 19th Nov 2006 16:07:36

Jdemers






In response to Plantagetnoble [99% (173x)] (Closed account) Club+ member: Bronze  :
Yes, I didn't imagine that a genuine silver coin cerificate would have a picture of Mickey Mouse.

If he/she doesn't give us more information, we won't know.

The members in North America seem much less inclined to thank other members for their answers than those in Europe are.

Plantag.

Hi, I am sending you a scan of the bank note, please let me know if you have a problem opening the file, thanks, Jean
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  Evaluation of Banknotes (USA Million dollars).     Sun 19th Nov 2006 16:13:40

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In response to Jdemers :
Hi, I am sending you a scan of the bank note, please let me know if you have a problem opening the file, thanks, Jean

hi jean,
still having problems i see. this site only accepts a few types of files when it comes to picture images: jpeg, gif, and one other i forget what it is. if your file isn't in this format, the site won't accept it. you can take an image and convert it using microsoft paint. jpeg is the best to convert to and easiest to send and be recieved in emails and websites. hope this helps.
later gator,
cajunsr.
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  Evaluation of Banknotes (USA Million dollars).     Sun 19th Nov 2006 16:30:51

Jdemers






In response to Cajunsr1 [99% (632x)] Club+ member: Silver  :
hi jean,
still having problems i see. this site only accepts a few types of files when it comes to picture images: jpeg, gif, and one other i forget what it is. if your file isn't in this format, the site won't accept it. you can take an image and convert it using microsoft paint. jpeg is the best to convert to and easiest to send and be recieved in emails and websites. hope this helps.
later gator,
cajunsr.

Hi, here is a jpeg file, thanks, Jean
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  Evaluation of Banknotes (USA Million dollars).     Sun 19th Nov 2006 16:56:08

Jdemers






In response to Jdemers :
Hi, here is a jpeg file, thanks, Jean

Hi, here is a jpeg file, thanks, jean
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  No more from Jean     Sun 19th Nov 2006 17:06:45

Jdemers






In response to Plantagetnoble [99% (173x)] (Closed account) Club+ member: Bronze  :
A good point, but they must put coins on Coins and banknotes on Banknotes if they want to attract the most help, some of which comes from the French-speaking world too. People in Europe who speak French, German and other languages do watch out for questions on coins and banknotes in English, but only if they are posted in the right place.

Plantag

Hi, rehe is a copy of the file in jpeg format, thanks, Jean
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  Evaluation of Banknotes (USA Million dollars).     Sun 19th Nov 2006 17:08:09

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In response to Jdemers :
Hi, here is a jpeg file, thanks, Jean

Well, there is certainly nothing like this in Volume 2 of World Paper Money. On the other hand, it isn't an extravagant Mickey Mouse design. It might be worth looking in Volume 1 (which I don't own).

Some of the wording seems unnatural to me, for example would it say "Silver coin certificate OF 1923" at the time it was printed in 1923 ? Would it say "raised a mortgage" when it was printed, before it was actually used for that ? Do banknotes ever say "Face value 10 dollars, or simply "10 dollars" ? As an American, you are in a better position to judge how likely the wording is. It seems quite possibly the way a Chinese speaker with a limited knowledge of English grammar might word it, working to someone else's description.

The mention of jade suggests to me that it originates in the Far East. There is still a trade of very expensive jade and ivory between the Far East and the USA (see eBay). Somebody wants to convince you that this is a high face value monetary instrument which was used in trading silver and jade and is still valid. Frankly, I doubt this, but don't throw it away until you have heard from experts.

You write Evaluation of BanknoteS. Have you got more than one of these ?

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  Evaluation of Banknotes (USA Million dollars).     Sun 19th Nov 2006 18:09:30

Jdemers






In response to Plantagetnoble [99% (173x)] (Closed account) Club+ member: Bronze  :
Well, there is certainly nothing like this in Volume 2 of World Paper Money. On the other hand, it isn't an extravagant Mickey Mouse design. It might be worth looking in Volume 1 (which I don't own).

Some of the wording seems unnatural to me, for example would it say "Silver coin certificate OF 1923" at the time it was printed in 1923 ? Would it say "raised a mortgage" when it was printed, before it was actually used for that ? Do banknotes ever say "Face value 10 dollars, or simply "10 dollars" ? As an American, you are in a better position to judge how likely the wording is. It seems quite possibly the way a Chinese speaker with a limited knowledge of English grammar might word it, working to someone else's description.

The mention of jade suggests to me that it originates in the Far East. There is still a trade of very expensive jade and ivory between the Far East and the USA (see eBay). Somebody wants to convince you that this is a high face value monetary instrument which was used in trading silver and jade and is still valid. Frankly, I doubt this, but don't throw it away until you have heard from experts.

You write Evaluation of BanknoteS. Have you got more than one of these ?

Plantag

Hi , Thanks for the reply, Yes i have a substantial collection some of theme have never been on circulation. Jean
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  Evaluation of Banknotes (USA Million dollars).     Sun 19th Nov 2006 18:44:39

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In response to Jdemers :
Hi , Thanks for the reply, Yes i have a substantial collection some of theme have never been on circulation. Jean

I meant, have you got more than one of the allegedly valid million dollars notes ? The more you have, the more unlikely it is.

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  Evaluation of Banknotes (USA Million dollars).     Sun 19th Nov 2006 19:29:28

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In response to Jdemers :
Hi , Thanks for the reply, Yes i have a substantial collection some of theme have never been on circulation. Jean

hi jean,
they're funny money, not real. but perhaps old joke dollars. they look to be the size of the old dollars when they were called horse blankets or large dollars (i cannot judge the size from the scan without a real dollar bill for comparision). these could be very interesting novelty items. i have never seen these before. but they are certainly not genuine u.s. currency. you are not a millionaire, sorry, desole. perhaps i will search the internet for 'joke' dollar bills and see what is there later.
later gator,
cajunsr.
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  Evaluation of Banknotes (USA Million dollars).     Sun 19th Nov 2006 20:00:33

Jdemers






In response to Plantagetnoble [99% (173x)] (Closed account) Club+ member: Bronze  :
I meant, have you got more than one of the allegedly valid million dollars notes ? The more you have, the more unlikely it is.

Plantag

I have 20 of them and also, they all have kind of verification number wich are practicly invisible. They are printed along the ribon printing on the right botom corner i had to enlarge the bills in order to find them.
Jean
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  Very probably not genuine, but are you sure ?     Sun 19th Nov 2006 20:00:40

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In response to Cajunsr1 [99% (632x)] Club+ member: Silver  :
hi jean,
they're funny money, not real. but perhaps old joke dollars. they look to be the size of the old dollars when they were called horse blankets or large dollars (i cannot judge the size from the scan without a real dollar bill for comparision). these could be very interesting novelty items. i have never seen these before. but they are certainly not genuine u.s. currency. you are not a millionaire, sorry, desole. perhaps i will search the internet for 'joke' dollar bills and see what is there later.
later gator,
cajunsr.

It's easy to say that, and you are probably right, but are you actually familiar with more obscure genuine items like the gold certificates ?

It's not good enough to prove that there do exist various joke items. It is necessary to prove that this is one of them. I have given several reasons why I think it is not genuine, but he/she needs an expert to give a considered opinion with reasons.

This week it was reported that the nice pictures belonging to an old lady living in a 2 bedroomed terraced house in Oxford really were Fra Angelicos, in fact missing panels from an altarpiece still in place in San Marco, Florence. Worth at least a million pounds, which is a lot more than a million dollars as you know. Very many such paintings are worth not very much, but it does happen !

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  Very probably not genuine, but are you sure ?     Sun 19th Nov 2006 20:06:21

Jdemers






In response to Plantagetnoble [99% (173x)] (Closed account) Club+ member: Bronze  :
It's easy to say that, and you are probably right, but are you actually familiar with more obscure genuine items like the gold certificates ?

It's not good enough to prove that there do exist various joke items. It is necessary to prove that this is one of them. I have given several reasons why I think it is not genuine, but he/she needs an expert to give a considered opinion with reasons.

This week it was reported that the nice pictures belonging to an old lady living in a 2 bedroomed terraced house in Oxford really were Fra Angelicos, in fact missing panels from an altarpiece still in place in San Marco, Florence. Worth at least a million pounds, which is a lot more than a million dollars as you know. Very many such paintings are worth not very much, but it does happen !

Plantag

I have 20 of them and also, they all have kind of verification number wich are practicly invisible. They are printed along the ribon printing on the right botom corner i had to enlarge the bills in order to find them.
Jean
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  The security printing is very interesting     Sun 19th Nov 2006 20:10:07

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I have 20 of them and also, they all have kind of verification number wich are practicly invisible. They are printed along the ribon printing on the right botom corner i had to enlarge the bills in order to find them.
Jean

That you have 20 at a million dollars each makes it all the more unlikely they are real, however the fact that there is some kind of security printing makes it less likely that they are cheap souvenirs. It is possible, of course, that they are genuine financial instruments worth several dollars to the right collector but not in fact still valid for a million dolllars. Of course, a lot of high value banknotes are like this, from countrie where there has been inflation. But the USA has never had inflation like Germany, and the wording "valid forever" seems to me suspicious (although in fact Bank of Engalnd notes realy are valid for ever, but they don't say so -- the wording on this is altogether too explicit).

You need an expert. You could try sending a scan to Krause. They ask for new varieties for their catalogue, and it would just about come within that category without being an obvious waste of their time.

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  Very probably not genuine, but are you sure ?     Sun 19th Nov 2006 21:09:43

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I have 20 of them and also, they all have kind of verification number wich are practicly invisible. They are printed along the ribon printing on the right botom corner i had to enlarge the bills in order to find them.
Jean

hi jean,
i will guarantee you that they are not real u.s. currency. here is a link to a site that shows all u.s currency from the past:

Link (http)

no bills such as yours were ever printed for use.
hope this helps to settle the argument.
a bientot,
cajunsr.
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  Very probably not genuine, but are you sure ?     Sun 19th Nov 2006 21:13:25

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In response to Cajunsr1 [99% (632x)] Club+ member: Silver  :
hi jean,
i will guarantee you that they are not real u.s. currency. here is a link to a site that shows all u.s currency from the past:

Link (http)

no bills such as yours were ever printed for use.
hope this helps to settle the argument.
a bientot,
cajunsr.


hi jean,
evidently you ain't alone in your quest:

Link (http)

a bientot,
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  Very probably not genuine, but are you sure ?     Sun 19th Nov 2006 21:17:26

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In response to Cajunsr1 [99% (632x)] Club+ member: Silver  :
hi jean,
i will guarantee you that they are not real u.s. currency. here is a link to a site that shows all u.s currency from the past:

Link (http)

no bills such as yours were ever printed for use.
hope this helps to settle the argument.
a bientot,
cajunsr.


This proves that it's not "United States Currency", which is not surprising at all as it is not in Volume 2 of the Krause catalogue of paper money.

But it could be some other kind of financial instrument with a value for collectors. Some of the French sellers sell bills of exchange, and I have bought some myself. Very occasionally you can also buy British bills of exchange, and share certificates quite often. How do you explain the security printing ?

I have put a note on the French website asking for their opinion on this to help Cousin(e) Jean.

It probably is just a fantasy item, but it is difficult to be as sure as you are, and you are only a stamp collector.

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  Very probably not genuine, but are you sure ?     Sun 19th Nov 2006 21:20:21

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In response to Cajunsr1 [99% (632x)] Club+ member: Silver  :
hi jean,
evidently you ain't alone in your quest:

Link (http)

a bientot,
cajunsr.

hi jean,
your 'joke' note was probably based on this genuine one i found on this "closed" auction ebay (don't worry seb, just F.Y.I. being used here):

Link (http)


a bientot,
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  Very probably not genuine, but are you sure ?     Sun 19th Nov 2006 21:27:34

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In response to Cajunsr1 [99% (632x)] Club+ member: Silver  :
hi jean,
evidently you ain't alone in your quest:

Link (http)

a bientot,
cajunsr.

The interesting thing about this is that he didn't actually get an answer. Nobody mentioned the existence of a million dollar silver certificate at all.

However, the publicity and controversy about this apparent breaking of the government promise (was it reallly "forever" or not?) might have inspired the production of fantasy items.

The Bank of England doesn't do this. There was considerable upset and disbelief amongst British dealers when the French government made its 10 franc coins invalid at very short notice with no hope of getting the value back ever (10 francs was about a pound at the time) .

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