It was only a very small fraction of the links he referred us to. The whole point is that the average seller cannot be expectedt to read all this and take it into account. What is needed is a very simple system and one's own judgement and commonsense.
This discussion has now been transferred to the Union Jack.
I heard Margaret Beckett, the new Foreign Secretary, being interviewed on the radio today.I was impressed ! If you put her in the ring with Bush, it would be like bear baiting. Bloody, but strangely satisfying.
hi y'all and my buddy PN,
y'all know i got to get a shot in at PN in the morning. had some extra strong coffee this morning too, almost like the mississippi mud i'm used to drinking. donna never seems to get it like that, must be that new 'england' background from her family. anyhow, i just saw a delcampe auction with a genuine and rare issue that is properly signed. this is how a good genuine issue should be presented, although a certificate from calves would be better as the signature on the back could be forged as well. the certificates usually have a photo of the stamp and a signed testament of its authenicity. if a stamp is a fake or forgery, then the word 'fake' or 'false' in a a few languages such as german, english, or french will appear; that is if it is a reputable dealer and the fake is expertised. remember, this forum started about 'terms' for philatelic items, not coins. i guess that will be dealt with later.
later gators,
cajunsr.
hi y'all and my buddy PN,
y'all know i got to get a shot in at PN in the morning. had some extra strong coffee this morning too, almost like the mississippi mud i'm used to drinking. donna never seems to get it like that, must be that new 'england' background from her family. anyhow, i just saw a delcampe auction with a genuine and rare issue that is properly signed. this is how a good genuine issue should be presented, although a certificate from calves would be better as the signature on the back could be forged as well. the certificates usually have a photo of the stamp and a signed testament of its authenicity. if a stamp is a fake or forgery, then the word 'fake' or 'false' in a a few languages such as german, english, or french will appear; that is if it is a reputable dealer and the fake is expertised. remember, this forum started about 'terms' for philatelic items, not coins. i guess that will be dealt with later.
later gators,
cajunsr.
Not everybody likes the American fashion of having things certified like this as a norm (and an expensive norm it is !). In the case of coins, it is customary in the USA to have condition ascertained very very precisely (as if it mattered that much !) and then to encase the coins permanently in plastic. This is called "slabbing". It is foolproof, but we aren't all fools. There are many traditional people, especially in Europe, who like to handle their coins, and may well like to handle real cheese and ham too, without too much hygiene getting in the way. You should go to Parma !
I am also well aware that the cheap sets of coronation coins issued sealed in plastic in 1953 have by now almost all deteriorated in their plastic. Coins kept in traditional cabinets ever since the Renaissace are fine.
Cajun may limit himself to stamps, but a glance at sellers on delcampe will show him that very many people don't, and the same is true of collectors. It would be confusing not to have a uniform terminology, especially when the problems often arise with one foreign seller selling coins, banknotes and stamps from the same dubious country where he has connections. One unified simple terminology helps with language problems, too. See my latest proposals at the sign of the Union Jack.
Perhaps the British Empire will be revived with Margaret Becket in power.
Not everybody likes the American fashion of having things certified like this as a norm (and an expensive norm it is !). In the case of coins, it is customary in the USA to have condition ascertained very very precisely (as if it mattered that much !) and then to encase the coins permanently in plastic. This is called "slabbing". It is foolproof, but we aren't all fools. There are many traditional people, especially in Europe, who like to handle their coins, and may well like to handle real cheese and ham too, without too much hygiene getting in the way. You should go to Parma !
I am also well aware that the cheap sets of coronation coins issued sealed in plastic in 1953 have by now almost all deteriorated in their plastic. Coins kept in traditional cabinets ever since the Renaissace are fine.
Cajun may limit himself to stamps, but a glance at sellers on delcampe will show him that very many people don't, and the same is true of collectors. It would be confusing not to have a uniform terminology, especially when the problems often arise with one foreign seller selling coins, banknotes and stamps from the same dubious country where he has connections. One unified simple terminology helps with language problems, too. See my latest proposals at the sign of the Union Jack.
Perhaps the British Empire will be revived with Margaret Becket in power.
hi PN,
little extra caffeine in your tea this morning? yes, i am a stamp collector, but do collect toy trucks, die cast cars, and other things. my brother is a coin collector and i have had coins for him as well. i had a collection of the 30 year u.s. mint and proof sets i bought some time back in their plastic cases from the 1960's to the early 90's. they were in good condition. all coins with the exception of gold, and it will too depending on its makeup, will tarnish. this is why coins are slabbed so that process is diminished and the coin will develop a rainbow tarnishing which is highly sought after by collectors. it also reduces the scatching on proof coins which do sell for a premium. it really comes down to how do you want your steak, fresh killed or aged. a stamp collector wants his stamps in MNH (**), perfectly centered, and genuine condition. and is willing to pay for that. on the other hand, he is also willing to pay for a genuine forgery as there are collectors for them. i have one in my stamp club, a veternarian who has a beautiful collection of forgeries. and the forgeries are not religated to just a stamp but can be a genuine stamp with a fake overprint as you have pointed out or a forged cancellation, or a faked cover. and i am sure the same goes for coins. i have seen on delcampe, fake u.s. trade silver dollars offered by a chinese dealer. pascal, you need to check this guy out. they are offered at bargain prices, and i can look at them and tell you they are fake. i compared them with my coin catalog, it was a no brainer. but there is no mention they are fakes. so again, if delcampe is serious on terms being used, he must first crack down on the sellers using delcampe to sell counterfeit goods. this has been my complaint all along. take care and i hope we hear something about this.
a bientot,
cajunsr.
hi PN,
little extra caffeine in your tea this morning? yes, i am a stamp collector, but do collect toy trucks, die cast cars, and other things. my brother is a coin collector and i have had coins for him as well. i had a collection of the 30 year u.s. mint and proof sets i bought some time back in their plastic cases from the 1960's to the early 90's. they were in good condition. all coins with the exception of gold, and it will too depending on its makeup, will tarnish. this is why coins are slabbed so that process is diminished and the coin will develop a rainbow tarnishing which is highly sought after by collectors. it also reduces the scatching on proof coins which do sell for a premium. it really comes down to how do you want your steak, fresh killed or aged. a stamp collector wants his stamps in MNH (**), perfectly centered, and genuine condition. and is willing to pay for that. on the other hand, he is also willing to pay for a genuine forgery as there are collectors for them. i have one in my stamp club, a veternarian who has a beautiful collection of forgeries. and the forgeries are not religated to just a stamp but can be a genuine stamp with a fake overprint as you have pointed out or a forged cancellation, or a faked cover. and i am sure the same goes for coins. i have seen on delcampe, fake u.s. trade silver dollars offered by a chinese dealer. pascal, you need to check this guy out. they are offered at bargain prices, and i can look at them and tell you they are fake. i compared them with my coin catalog, it was a no brainer. but there is no mention they are fakes. so again, if delcampe is serious on terms being used, he must first crack down on the sellers using delcampe to sell counterfeit goods. this has been my complaint all along. take care and i hope we hear something about this.
a bientot,
cajunsr.
The UPU problem:
Taiwan is not a member of UPU
Nagorno Karabakh is not a member of UPU
Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is not a member of UPU
- Guess who else is not memebers of UPU?
So a membership of UPU doesnīt count for to be official.
Unrecognized countries:
-There are many countries which do not recognize other states.
Israel is recogniced by everyone?
There are many more and historically we have a bunch more to ad to that list.
De facto:
When the mail with stamps used as postage of the country of origin works without any tricks - itīs OFFICIAL. Like Taiwan and all the countries mentioned above. I donīt have to like it, nor does anyone else. Itīs just de facto - making our hobby interesting.
To forward the mail via a third country becasue of political reasons,
as for the countries mentioned above, is not a trick. Itīs a rather
intelligent method to forward mail to the receivers wherever they migh be present. Then at the final destination, the officals of the Postal Administation can use marks, remove the stamps and in some known cases even urinate on the letters ( remeber the Cyprus conflict in the 70s) and arrest the receiver depending on the level of the political situation they migh have. However the letter was delivered and the stamps official.
If you want mail from Nagorno Karabakh with stamps of the same country used for postage You can mail me so you can see for your self when you will receive it. Even if you live in Azerbaijan you have a fair chance to receive it. Anything else?
The UPU problem:
Taiwan is not a member of UPU
Nagorno Karabakh is not a member of UPU
Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is not a member of UPU
- Guess who else is not memebers of UPU?
So a membership of UPU doesnīt count for to be official.
Unrecognized countries:
-There are many countries which do not recognize other states.
Israel is recogniced by everyone?
There are many more and historically we have a bunch more to ad to that list.
De facto:
When the mail with stamps used as postage of the country of origin works without any tricks - itīs OFFICIAL. Like Taiwan and all the countries mentioned above. I donīt have to like it, nor does anyone else. Itīs just de facto - making our hobby interesting.
To forward the mail via a third country becasue of political reasons,
as for the countries mentioned above, is not a trick. Itīs a rather
intelligent method to forward mail to the receivers wherever they migh be present. Then at the final destination, the officals of the Postal Administation can use marks, remove the stamps and in some known cases even urinate on the letters ( remeber the Cyprus conflict in the 70s) and arrest the receiver depending on the level of the political situation they migh have. However the letter was delivered and the stamps official.
If you want mail from Nagorno Karabakh with stamps of the same country used for postage You can mail me so you can see for your self when you will receive it. Even if you live in Azerbaijan you have a fair chance to receive it. Anything else?
By the way, when my turn comes, I have already made the instructions. that I want my ax in one hand and a gold coin in the other and a book on my belly so I can buy some stamps sheets, separate them with my ax send some letters to my beloved ones and put the rest in the book for future use.
Rgds.
M.
P.S. There will always be some categorizing the stamps of The Kindom to Come as fakes, no?
P.S.S. If you have any friend riding an UFO I would like to know
if they use stamps as well.
By the way, when my turn comes, I have already made the instructions. that I want my ax in one hand and a gold coin in the other and a book on my belly so I can buy some stamps sheets, separate them with my ax send some letters to my beloved ones and put the rest in the book for future use.
Rgds.
M.
P.S. There will always be some categorizing the stamps of The Kindom to Come as fakes, no?
P.S.S. If you have any friend riding an UFO I would like to know
if they use stamps as well.
Hey Guys,
How about this?
"We have noticed, that some of the stamps you sell are concerned: stamps from Afghanistan dated after 1989, because no stamps have been officially issued after 1989 in Afghanistan.
But the stamps in concern were issued 1998....or not?
Further Afghanistan send tons of letters every day with officially issued stamps so what to say guys?
Anyway, I removed the item for the time beeing until things
will be straighten up.
Anyone around with knowledge about Afghani stamps?
"We have noticed, that some of the stamps you sell are concerned: stamps from Afghanistan dated after 1989, because no stamps have been officially issued after 1989 in Afghanistan.
But the stamps in concern were issued 1998....or not?
Further Afghanistan send tons of letters every day with officially issued stamps so what to say guys?
Anyway, I removed the item for the time beeing until things
will be straighten up.
Anyone around with knowledge about Afghani stamps?
Cheers,
M.
You philatelists keep making up problems which do not really exist.
Stamps from Afghanistan of a type used on letters are clearly not FANTASIES and not REPRODUCTIONS, so there is no problem whatever.
Be very careful, please, to distinguish what I actually wrote myself, and what was merely a long quotation from one of Cajun's links, to illustrate problems we could not get into. I did not mention the Universal Postal Union at all.
For my final word on this, I urge you again to look at the Union Jack forum, which (predictably) everyone seems to be ignoring. This is why I think the Union Jack forum should be abolished, in favour of one English language forum described simply as "ENGLISH". I have already made that clear.
You philatelists keep making up problems which do not really exist.
Stamps from Afghanistan of a type used on letters are clearly not FANTASIES and not REPRODUCTIONS, so there is no problem whatever.
Be very careful, please, to distinguish what I actually wrote myself, and what was merely a long quotation from one of Cajun's links, to illustrate problems we could not get into. I did not mention the Universal Postal Union at all.
For my final word on this, I urge you again to look at the Union Jack forum, which (predictably) everyone seems to be ignoring. This is why I think the Union Jack forum should be abolished, in favour of one English language forum described simply as "ENGLISH". I have already made that clear.
hi PN,
when you do some excavation, you really dig a deep pit, don't you. what the heck did i say? can't remember now. you started rambling about slabbing, then i answered about that, then we did some other crap. now what are we on? as for plastic, it is made from petroleum, and has been improved over the years. i'm sure the old sets in their plastic containers might have suffered some deterioration because of the breakdown of the plastic. i see that with some older stamp and cover mounts. they get an oily and sticky coating after storage in the heat. as for the upu, not all nations are members as you said. and this certainly creates new issue problems for various postal services. our postal service has not delivered to certain countries because of political unrest or war. or only to a country who will deliver the mail to these third world entities. as you said, their stamps are not bogus or cinderellas, but just issues not recognized by the legitimate postal community. and as for abolishing the english forum, that is just your opinion. no one else has come forward from england except postlynx and he seems to want things to stay as is. am i wrong PL? anything else stuck in that english lark craw of yours? seems like a broken record here. all pascal wanted were some terms for fake stamps. i gave him some, you gave him some, postlynx gave him some. the links i gave were just some lagniappe-cajun for somethin' extra. they help to describe what a differences between fakes, cinderellas, counterfeits, etc. are and gives a visual reference so you can see them. a picture is worth a thousand words in my book. i can look in a scott or other catalog and read a description, but give me the picture and bingo, i can see the difference. beats the hell out of knocking your head against the wall . sure wish i could get my youngest daughter to realize that. at 21, she is a pain in the butt to live with, got a bad case of PMS, permanent mental stubborness. y'all take care. got to digest this dinner i had to get at the restaurant while momma is away. burrrrrrrp.
later gators,
cajunsr.
We have noticed that some inexperienced collectors were buying stamps without knowing that they were not official issues. If buyers knew that the stamps were not officially issued, we believe that they might have changed their mind.
Fortunately, most of the sellers do not try to hide this information from their buyers and even if there is a slight chance that the stamps are official, they prefer saying they are not. But they all use different terms and ways to describe unofficial issues.
Therefore, what the @admin157 and myself are currently doing is to establish some standards; we ask all the sellers concerned to add the words BOGUS or FORGERY or FAKE or PRIVATE ISSUE, etc... written in capital letters in the titles. If the sellers are not sure of the origin, we also ask them to mention it in the title. This way, if we apply the same rule to all the sellers, they will all be treated equally and the buyers will know what they are buying.
However, a list of terms needs to be drawn up. Many sellers have already suggested some terms to be added to this list but inexperienced collectors will be very unlikely to understand these terms and this new regulation would be pointless.
This is why I am now asking for your help and advice.
Thank you
hi pascal,
for interest sake and to clarify to the english reader, the stamps you are talking about, are we talking about stamps that are being sold as 'FAKES', 'REPRINTS', 'CINDERELLAS', 'LABELS', 'UNISSUED', ETC. . this is what confused me in the beginning. a while ago there was an article in linn's stamp news about fakes and forgeries being sold on ebay. i myself saw a preponderence of them and nothing at first was done to stop this until finally ebay finally took action and stopped this practice. the stamps in fact were photocopies of genuine, some poorly done, rarieties with no mention of being fakes. my question to you then is if a stamp is being sold on delcampe in the same manner but described as a fake, should it not be marked as such? is this not the rule in the charter? it is not enough to just give the termanology for these items, but we must prevent the market from being flooding with counterfeit, forgeries, or fakes, or whatever you may call them to prevent a novice collector from being duped into thinking it is a genuine stamp. that has been my argument from the beginning. put aside any other issues, this is the primary concern that needs to be addressed by delcampe for the good of its buyers. thanks for listening.
a bientot,
cajunsr.
hi PN,
when you do some excavation, you really dig a deep pit, don't you. what the heck did i say? can't remember now. you started rambling about slabbing, then i answered about that, then we did some other crap. now what are we on? as for plastic, it is made from petroleum, and has been improved over the years. i'm sure the old sets in their plastic containers might have suffered some deterioration because of the breakdown of the plastic. i see that with some older stamp and cover mounts. they get an oily and sticky coating after storage in the heat. as for the upu, not all nations are members as you said. and this certainly creates new issue problems for various postal services. our postal service has not delivered to certain countries because of political unrest or war. or only to a country who will deliver the mail to these third world entities. as you said, their stamps are not bogus or cinderellas, but just issues not recognized by the legitimate postal community. and as for abolishing the english forum, that is just your opinion. no one else has come forward from england except postlynx and he seems to want things to stay as is. am i wrong PL? anything else stuck in that english lark craw of yours? seems like a broken record here. all pascal wanted were some terms for fake stamps. i gave him some, you gave him some, postlynx gave him some. the links i gave were just some lagniappe-cajun for somethin' extra. they help to describe what a differences between fakes, cinderellas, counterfeits, etc. are and gives a visual reference so you can see them. a picture is worth a thousand words in my book. i can look in a scott or other catalog and read a description, but give me the picture and bingo, i can see the difference. beats the hell out of knocking your head against the wall . sure wish i could get my youngest daughter to realize that. at 21, she is a pain in the butt to live with, got a bad case of PMS, permanent mental stubborness. y'all take care. got to digest this dinner i had to get at the restaurant while momma is away. burrrrrrrp.
later gators,
cajunsr.
Yes, you are wrong ! Postlynx is not English.
I have never been in favour of abolishing the English forum. I am in favour of abolishing the British forum. You are getting confused.
I never said that all nations were not members of the UPU.
Repeat: I have never mentioned the UPU at all, except to deny mentioning it.
"their stamps are not bogus or cinderellas" . I never said it !
I don't think that either of these terms is suitable for use on Delcampe, especially not "Cinderella" because it is so vague, as is explained by Stanley Gibbons, no less ! Similarly "bogus", which is meaningless to foreigners, and could mean to English people either fantasy or reproduction. These are two useless terms.
I refrained from arguing further about your barbaric American slabbing. It does protect proof coins from scratching, but so would a bank. If they are encased in plastic, you can't see them or appreciate them properly. As for toning, the best toning I ever saw was coins which had spent more than a hundred years in the Bank of England Museum, and they were not wrapped in plastic.
I have answered Pascal's question as conscientioulsy as I can, but nobody seems to have read this. I urge you again to look at the Union Jack forum, which (predictably) everyone seems to be ignoring. This is why I think the Union Jack forum should be abolished, in favour of one English language forum described simply as "ENGLISH". I have already made that clear. If people want a separate British forum, why don't they use it? Who are these people who want it? The principal should be the same as with a village shop --- use it or lose it.
hi pascal,
for interest sake and to clarify to the english reader, the stamps you are talking about, are we talking about stamps that are being sold as 'FAKES', 'REPRINTS', 'CINDERELLAS', 'LABELS', 'UNISSUED', ETC. . this is what confused me in the beginning. a while ago there was an article in linn's stamp news about fakes and forgeries being sold on ebay. i myself saw a preponderence of them and nothing at first was done to stop this until finally ebay finally took action and stopped this practice. the stamps in fact were photocopies of genuine, some poorly done, rarieties with no mention of being fakes. my question to you then is if a stamp is being sold on delcampe in the same manner but described as a fake, should it not be marked as such? is this not the rule in the charter? it is not enough to just give the termanology for these items, but we must prevent the market from being flooding with counterfeit, forgeries, or fakes, or whatever you may call them to prevent a novice collector from being duped into thinking it is a genuine stamp. that has been my argument from the beginning. put aside any other issues, this is the primary concern that needs to be addressed by delcampe for the good of its buyers. thanks for listening.
a bientot,
cajunsr.
Hello Cajun,
Marking fake stamps is a good idea but I personally think that asking sellers to do this is virtually impossible, at least in the short run.
Just thing of how we would force sellers to do this, how they would react, including the most honest ones, which stamps will have to be marked, what if a stamps is not yet listed in an official catalog and do one-cent stamps have to be marked too ?
For the moment, let's try to stay focused on the terminology matter.
Another good idea would be to write a guide that would be intended for novice collectors. Thanks to this guide they would learn more about the different types of stamps, how to find out if a stamp is official or not and so on... This guide could even include a glossary with terms such as Bogus, Cinderella, etc...
Marking fake stamps is a good idea but I personally think that asking sellers to do this is virtually impossible, at least in the short run.
Just thing of how we would force sellers to do this, how they would react, including the most honest ones, which stamps will have to be marked, what if a stamps is not yet listed in an official catalog and do one-cent stamps have to be marked too ?
For the moment, let's try to stay focused on the terminology matter.
Another good idea would be to write a guide that would be intended for novice collectors. Thanks to this guide they would learn more about the different types of stamps, how to find out if a stamp is official or not and so on... This guide could even include a glossary with terms such as Bogus, Cinderella, etc...
Do you think this would help?
hi pascal,
you are probably right about dealers marking their stamps. this is usually done by an expertising organization or person. or a manufacturer. unfortunately, some makers do not wish to do so because they are creating counterfeits which are being sold as 'genuine'. these are the 'fakes' that should be marked no matter what. and that should be demanded by seb before that item can be sold. period. if they don't comply with that rule, tough. we are talking about expensive french souvenir sheets, overprinted rare issues, etc. that are showing up on the market that are not expertised. as for a guide, many of them have been published and probably are still available. h.e. harris and co. used to have an excellent guide for new collectors. the APS site has excellent information for new collectors (www.stamps.orgLink (http) ). i have suggested many times for you to add this to the delcampe list of websites. they also list other websites and organizations that are useful to philatelists. and of course, there is the web itself. biggest tool i know to find out information about stamp collecting. and there is your local libraries, tons of knowlege and books there too. and don't forget the stamp clubs and shows. and europe sure has them, much more than the u.s. i'm afraid. and the younger ones attend them with more zeal than our kids. hope this info helps. whoops, i see PN rearing his head around the corner just waiting to put his 2 shillings worth in or whatever their currency is now. take care cousin. whatever y'all decide is cool with me.
a bientot,
cajunsr.
hi pascal,
you are probably right about dealers marking their stamps. this is usually done by an expertising organization or person. or a manufacturer. unfortunately, some makers do not wish to do so because they are creating counterfeits which are being sold as 'genuine'. these are the 'fakes' that should be marked no matter what. and that should be demanded by seb before that item can be sold. period. if they don't comply with that rule, tough. we are talking about expensive french souvenir sheets, overprinted rare issues, etc. that are showing up on the market that are not expertised. as for a guide, many of them have been published and probably are still available. h.e. harris and co. used to have an excellent guide for new collectors. the APS site has excellent information for new collectors (www.stamps.orgLink (http) ). i have suggested many times for you to add this to the delcampe list of websites. they also list other websites and organizations that are useful to philatelists. and of course, there is the web itself. biggest tool i know to find out information about stamp collecting. and there is your local libraries, tons of knowlege and books there too. and don't forget the stamp clubs and shows. and europe sure has them, much more than the u.s. i'm afraid. and the younger ones attend them with more zeal than our kids. hope this info helps. whoops, i see PN rearing his head around the corner just waiting to put his 2 shillings worth in or whatever their currency is now. take care cousin. whatever y'all decide is cool with me.
a bientot,
cajunsr.
Hi there,
I think to visit a library was a nice approach because everything isnīt about stamps. However, I can recomment the Town Library of Stockholm for philatelic books as well. Of cource the website is in English (in smartEnglish so everyone can understand) How about that huh?
I think to visit a library was a nice approach because everything isnīt about stamps. However, I can recomment the Town Library of Stockholm for philatelic books as well. Of cource the website is in English (in smartEnglish so everyone can understand) How about that huh?
hi pascal,
you are probably right about dealers marking their stamps. this is usually done by an expertising organization or person. or a manufacturer. unfortunately, some makers do not wish to do so because they are creating counterfeits which are being sold as 'genuine'. these are the 'fakes' that should be marked no matter what. and that should be demanded by seb before that item can be sold. period. if they don't comply with that rule, tough. we are talking about expensive french souvenir sheets, overprinted rare issues, etc. that are showing up on the market that are not expertised. as for a guide, many of them have been published and probably are still available. h.e. harris and co. used to have an excellent guide for new collectors. the APS site has excellent information for new collectors (www.stamps.orgLink (http) ). i have suggested many times for you to add this to the delcampe list of websites. they also list other websites and organizations that are useful to philatelists. and of course, there is the web itself. biggest tool i know to find out information about stamp collecting. and there is your local libraries, tons of knowlege and books there too. and don't forget the stamp clubs and shows. and europe sure has them, much more than the u.s. i'm afraid. and the younger ones attend them with more zeal than our kids. hope this info helps. whoops, i see PN rearing his head around the corner just waiting to put his 2 shillings worth in or whatever their currency is now. take care cousin. whatever y'all decide is cool with me.
a bientot,
cajunsr.
( My two penny worth , as in "Two penn'orth of rosemary, please" ).
Unfortunately the French philatelists have convinced me that most of them are a wild, anarachistic, unruly mob ( several racist, many xenophobic ) who will never co-operate with any rules whatsoever, not even the rules of the allegedly beautiful language which they obviously use so much better than anyone else.
I think to visit a library was a nice approach because everything isnīt about stamps. However, I can recomment the Town Library of Stockholm for philatelic books as well. Of cource the website is in English (in smartEnglish so everyone can understand) How about that huh?
Search " filateli " and youīll get the all titles in any language of your
taste even french titles, I can tell.
Just follow the street right ahead. Itīs the pink house at the end
of the valley...
hi PL,
our local library and the whole hillsborough county system has a nice selection of up to date scott catalogs. you can check out the catalogs up to the 2005 catalogs, but not the 2006 as they are too new. once the latest ones are out then the older ones are available to take home. and there are other books available on philately, coin collecting, and other hobbies as well. the APS also has slide and vhs programs available to its clubs and members for them to rent at a nomimal shipping fee. i think there is a plethera of information for new collectors for the taking at no or almost no cost. all that is needed is their energy to search and the time. all we ol' timers can do is guide them to it. if pascal comes to us as he is doing, we can surely give him the data. take care.
a bientot,
cajunsr.
hi PL,
our local library and the whole hillsborough county system has a nice selection of up to date scott catalogs. you can check out the catalogs up to the 2005 catalogs, but not the 2006 as they are too new. once the latest ones are out then the older ones are available to take home. and there are other books available on philately, coin collecting, and other hobbies as well. the APS also has slide and vhs programs available to its clubs and members for them to rent at a nomimal shipping fee. i think there is a plethera of information for new collectors for the taking at no or almost no cost. all that is needed is their energy to search and the time. all we ol' timers can do is guide them to it. if pascal comes to us as he is doing, we can surely give him the data. take care.
a bientot,
cajunsr.
Thank you for your help, it is nice to be helped by members once in a while, especially when you are used to the contrary
PN, I am sorry about what happened on the French Forum, it was predicatble. Unfortunately, French members are not as nice as English members. Maybe because there only are three members using the English Forum
I will probably delete the whole topic as virtually everything but philatelic matters was discussed under this philatelic section.
I also want to express my own opinion on what was being said:
Most of the members, whether they speak French, English, Japanese or any other language, use the forum only to complain about something.
On the one hand, it helps to improve the website but on the other hand, it seems there only are 'problems' on Delcampe as they scarcely ever speak up to say something nice about the website and the work we are doing.
I really do not know why a member came out of nowhere to express his feelings about foreigners invading France. This had nothing to do with the matter being discussed but it is not so surprising to read such comments as it is one complaint among many others.
Please do not take this personally. I sometimes say very bad things about truck drivers passing through Belgium and causing many accidents, traffic jams, damaging the motorways, etc... But I am also aware that thanks to them, we can find everything we are looking for in our local supermarkets or order some specific tools or hardware and get it the next day.
Here are some more examples which are worth some consideration:
- Belgian people make fun of French people and vice-versa. We use the exact same jokes to make fun of them. Belgian people feel united compared to Fench people. At the same time, people living in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium have a hard time to get along with people living in the French part of Belgium. But this is only due to the people governing the country.
- French supporters feel united when the French football (soccer) team plays against Germany. In the meantime, supporters of the PSG (Paris) hate the OM supporters (Marseille) when the two teams are playing.
- 99% of the drivers think they are good drivers but the others aren't.
Thank you for your help, it is nice to be helped by members once in a while, especially when you are used to the contrary
PN, I am sorry about what happened on the French Forum, it was predicatble. Unfortunately, French members are not as nice as English members. Maybe because there only are three members using the English Forum
I will probably delete the whole topic as virtually everything but philatelic matters was discussed under this philatelic section.
I also want to express my own opinion on what was being said:
Most of the members, whether they speak French, English, Japanese or any other language, use the forum only to complain about something.
On the one hand, it helps to improve the website but on the other hand, it seems there only are 'problems' on Delcampe as they scarcely ever speak up to say something nice about the website and the work we are doing.
I really do not know why a member came out of nowhere to express his feelings about foreigners invading France. This had nothing to do with the matter being discussed but it is not so surprising to read such comments as it is one complaint among many others.
Please do not take this personally. I sometimes say very bad things about truck drivers passing through Belgium and causing many accidents, traffic jams, damaging the motorways, etc... But I am also aware that thanks to them, we can find everything we are looking for in our local supermarkets or order some specific tools or hardware and get it the next day.
Here are some more examples which are worth some consideration:
- Belgian people make fun of French people and vice-versa. We use the exact same jokes to make fun of them. Belgian people feel united compared to Fench people. At the same time, people living in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium have a hard time to get along with people living in the French part of Belgium. But this is only due to the people governing the country.
- French supporters feel united when the French football (soccer) team plays against Germany. In the meantime, supporters of the PSG (Paris) hate the OM supporters (Marseille) when the two teams are playing.
- 99% of the drivers think they are good drivers but the others aren't.
...
hi pascal,
heck son, sounds a lot like america, y'all just don't know it. we all have our differences but we all have to get along and we do. we had a big war, not once but twice in europe, then a small one again in yugoslavia because people didn't learn to live in peace. now once again, hate is back with a vengence in iraq and afghanistan. if people were stamp collectors like me who have seen covers or stamps of war, or the old magazines with pictures of war, or been to war as i have been to see the horrors of it first hand, then you would not be so full of this hate. time to get along with each other no matter what your differences are, find some common ground like stamp collecting. take care.
a bientot,
cajunsr.
Thank you for your help, it is nice to be helped by members once in a while, especially when you are used to the contrary
PN, I am sorry about what happened on the French Forum, it was predicatble. Unfortunately, French members are not as nice as English members. Maybe because there only are three members using the English Forum
I will probably delete the whole topic as virtually everything but philatelic matters was discussed under this philatelic section.
I also want to express my own opinion on what was being said:
Most of the members, whether they speak French, English, Japanese or any other language, use the forum only to complain about something.
On the one hand, it helps to improve the website but on the other hand, it seems there only are 'problems' on Delcampe as they scarcely ever speak up to say something nice about the website and the work we are doing.
I really do not know why a member came out of nowhere to express his feelings about foreigners invading France. This had nothing to do with the matter being discussed but it is not so surprising to read such comments as it is one complaint among many others.
Please do not take this personally. I sometimes say very bad things about truck drivers passing through Belgium and causing many accidents, traffic jams, damaging the motorways, etc... But I am also aware that thanks to them, we can find everything we are looking for in our local supermarkets or order some specific tools or hardware and get it the next day.
Here are some more examples which are worth some consideration:
- Belgian people make fun of French people and vice-versa. We use the exact same jokes to make fun of them. Belgian people feel united compared to Fench people. At the same time, people living in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium have a hard time to get along with people living in the French part of Belgium. But this is only due to the people governing the country.
- French supporters feel united when the French football (soccer) team plays against Germany. In the meantime, supporters of the PSG (Paris) hate the OM supporters (Marseille) when the two teams are playing.
- 99% of the drivers think they are good drivers but the others aren't.
...
Please don't delete it. It's fascinating.
We are now the best of friends, myself and the one who complained about foreigners invading France.
If you tamper any more, you will get the French and the English allying themselves against the Belgian bosses again (a fairly unusual situation for Belgium to be in).
We are now the best of friends, myself and the one who complained about foreigners invading France.
If you tamper any more, you will get the French and the English allying themselves against the Belgian bosses again (a fairly unusual situation for Belgium to be in).
hi y'all,
i think foreignors have been invading each other's turf in europe, asia, and other places for a long damn time, like this situation ain't new. don't know what the fuss is all about in america over illegal aliens. if y'all get right down to it, the american indian ought to be one who should be raising hell 'bout all us white folks that muscled in on his territory. and the history of all this is certainly found on our stamps, not just the u.s. ones, look at the world stamps and the occupation issues. just trying to stay in the boundary of the forum here folks. well, the cajun got his stamp club to get ready for. y'all take care and have a great night.
later gators,
cajunsr.
p.s.-momma is due back in 2 days from fort carson where jr. is and i can't wait. home cooking again, yahooooooooooo. and pepper (my cocker spanie)l says so too.
hi y'all,
i think foreignors have been invading each other's turf in europe, asia, and other places for a long damn time, like this situation ain't new. don't know what the fuss is all about in america over illegal aliens. if y'all get right down to it, the american indian ought to be one who should be raising hell 'bout all us white folks that muscled in on his territory. and the history of all this is certainly found on our stamps, not just the u.s. ones, look at the world stamps and the occupation issues. just trying to stay in the boundary of the forum here folks. well, the cajun got his stamp club to get ready for. y'all take care and have a great night.
later gators,
cajunsr.
p.s.-momma is due back in 2 days from fort carson where jr. is and i can't wait. home cooking again, yahooooooooooo. and pepper (my cocker spanie)l says so too.
You are quite right, especially about the Indians. The problem is, of course, that when a lot of people start invading in the same direction people do start trying to stop them, and before long this looks like a war. History supports what I am saying here !
You are very much easier to deal with than French philatelists.
The odd thing in Europe is this, and this is really rather a scandal. In the days of the USSR the people who "escaped" because they wanted a better life were thought of as heroes in favour of liberty, and the border guards (employed by the east to keep them in) were universally despised.
Nowadays, the people who "come over here" because they want a better life are scroungers who should have been kept out by the just border controls of the most easterly countries of the European Union. This situation can change overnight, e.g. at one time Poles were the escaping scroungers, but now they are European brothers welcome to work in the UK (although most other countries have restrictions on them), but Poland is expected to guard part of Europe's eastern frontier in a humane way (something they have never done before).
You are quite right, especially about the Indians. The problem is, of course, that when a lot of people start invading in the same direction people do start trying to stop them, and before long this looks like a war. History supports what I am saying here !
You are very much easier to deal with than French philatelists.
The odd thing in Europe is this, and this is really rather a scandal. In the days of the USSR the people who "escaped" because they wanted a better life were thought of as heroes in favour of liberty, and the border guards (employed by the east to keep them in) were universally despised.
Nowadays, the people who "come over here" because they want a better life are scroungers who should have been kept out by the just border controls of the most easterly countries of the European Union. This situation can change overnight, e.g. at one time Poles were the escaping scroungers, but now they are European brothers welcome to work in the UK (although most other countries have restrictions on them), but Poland is expected to guard part of Europe's eastern frontier in a humane way (something they have never done before).
hi PN,
well, like they say in america, 'damned if you do, damned if you don't.' i just got back from my stamp club and i have 2 russians in it. both are good guys but one i have to watch as he puts in material in the auctions we have but doesn't acurately describe them. so i have to inspect his lots as i am the auctioneer and see if they match what his description is. i had problems with 2 lots i bought from him in the past being not were they were described. he isn't a scoundrel, just uneducated in the english language catalogs. so i gave him an education tonight, a real good one. the other is a super friendly person with whom i have no problems. just shows you that it really is the personality of the individuals, not the country they are from that makes them what they are. do you judge a book by its cover as the old addage goes? we just have to learn about each other and that takes time. take care, i'm a little tired. been a long day.
a bientot,
cajunsr.
hi PN,
well, like they say in america, 'damned if you do, damned if you don't.' i just got back from my stamp club and i have 2 russians in it. both are good guys but one i have to watch as he puts in material in the auctions we have but doesn't acurately describe them. so i have to inspect his lots as i am the auctioneer and see if they match what his description is. i had problems with 2 lots i bought from him in the past being not were they were described. he isn't a scoundrel, just uneducated in the english language catalogs. so i gave him an education tonight, a real good one. the other is a super friendly person with whom i have no problems. just shows you that it really is the personality of the individuals, not the country they are from that makes them what they are. do you judge a book by its cover as the old addage goes? we just have to learn about each other and that takes time. take care, i'm a little tired. been a long day.
a bientot,
cajunsr.
The fact is, the vast majoriy of books probably are sold on their covers, and the publishers know this very well.
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